Canterbury thunderstorms - 15 November, Chase and reports

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Re: General November Weather

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mikestormchaser wrote: was that thunderstorm corner those pictures John? :LOL:
NO. It was looking south or SE from here but the cloud-forms did roll out from TC.

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I headed out with 03 and Aaron not much really got going until around 6pm, where some towering CU glaciated out and began precipitating.
We stuck around the Ashburton/Rakia area around back roads until about 9pm, where the clouds would develope then as they headed more eastwards began throwing out shafts all over the place.
One place we stopped there was hail on the ground, then we went abit further back west towards Ashburton where we got out and took some more photo's.
It was then we had a nice rumble of thunder overhead, before ducking for cover under the 4wd boot and filmed steady rain mixed with pea sized hail coming down.
We then headed through Leeston and out to where the Blue Duck Cafe is on the corner which segments the roads to Lyttleton and Akaroa, managing to observe a flash or two towards Akaroa way around 10pm.
Not a bad day in the end, our patience kept us going.
Another thing to note which Paul might be interested in, until about west Rolleston it was fresh NE then from there onwards it was a strong gusty NWer before coming back to a NE around Rakaia.
Photo's to follow tomorrow night _b .
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Re: General November Weather

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Hey John, what time was it when you took the pictures ?
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DT-NZ wrote:Awesome pics Andrew and John _b yea!!!! great to see storm pics again ... thank you - kinda going thru withdrawels... anyway... you guys are DT awesome T (dedicated thunderstorm trackers) along with Aaron and 03 who tracked and chased this evening... take care.
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Re: General November Weather

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Interesting pics you posted John at about 2200 hrs. Absolutely classic CB with anvil.
This was a finely balanced situation between the dry westerlies aloft, the moist easterly inflow to a convergence boundary just inland, and the cold temperatures aloft. It goes to show that thunderstorms can still trigger even with the dry westerlies aloft.

Very useful report Jasestorm. Your report of pea sized hail fits very well with our hail sizing tool (working off radar data) which indicated 4-7mm sized hail. Thanks for that.

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Re: General November Weather

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Was a good chase, ended up being out for roughly 6 hours, dedication for ya! ;)

Convergence line set up south of Ashburton running NE-SW, Nice CB started to form at the North of the convergence line then moved off over Bp. Pea sized hail, measured around 8mm nothing spectacular. Only heard a couple rumbles of thunder and saw 2-3 flashes toward Bp. Nice hail shafts about and took a quick detour to the rain radar site on the way south.

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Nice pictures Stormchaser.

The convergence line shot is a good one and quite informative. Your 4th shot of the shaft of precip in the sunlight shows that the showers where pretty respectable.

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Re: General November Weather

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Nice chase guys ! _b Shame it all happens so late in the day at the moment ... :(
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Re: General November Weather

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Nice set of photos 03stormchaser

Paul wrote
It goes to show that thunderstorms can still trigger even with the dry westerlies aloft.
I think the dry westerlies down to about 850mb are good for instability and one of the reasons why Canterbury is so prone to severe hail in late spring/early summer. The Alps ensure that upper flow is dry.

Just add that its a pity Rakaia upper winds weren't available for yesterday.
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Yes, I quite agree. If one has a good depth of moisture in the boundary layer to feed the convection, then it will certainly power up into the dry air and enhance downdrafts etc. What I was alluding to was whether there may have been too much shear. The presence of shear in Canterbury produces a goodly number of super cell storms there, and of course large hail.

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Stormchaser, what was the time of that last picture you added (the one of the hail producing storm)?

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15th November chase/photo's reports!!!

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I thought i would create a new topic so its easier for future reference finding instead of being in general weather which it definatly wasnt.
Perhaps the mods could move the comments from everyone about yesterdays happenings into here from the general November topic.
Ive decided to use photobucket for a change as i can get bigger photo's this way.

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CU developing and glaciating with some precipitation also falling, east of Ashburton.

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Convergence line running SE to west over us.

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CB beginning to develope this one starting dropping hail about 10 minutes after this photo.

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Towering CU towards the west, situated south of Rakaia area.


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CB Hail shower just Near Rakaia looking SE.

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Nice development to the west looking towards Ashburton way, just before we had a thunder rumble overhead.

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Rainbow with Hail shafts evident.

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Again hail shower shafting very nicly against the sun setting.
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Re: 15th November chase/photo's reports!!!

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A very well documented convergence line there Jason.
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Re: 15th November chase/photo's reports!!!

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Nice photos there, Jase but takes a while to scroll down.
I thought today was more 'photographic' :smile:
Some shots later.

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Re: 15th November chase/photo's reports!!!

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Great shots Jason. I really like the one looking along the underside of the convergence line showing the building CB on top.

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Re: 15th November chase/photo's reports!!!

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Yes very nice to see some pics, i disnt really think it was worth chasing yesterday but maybe i should of anyway.
Those last couple of pics are quite interesting, just with the sun set and the hail coming out of the CB looks like virga almost
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Re: 15th November chase/photo's reports!!!

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Good to see you guys getting out on a chase. :smile:

Did the colder upper air arrive late into Canterbury yesterday with that very late isolated development, surface conditions had been much better early in the afternoon, upper air timing looked better for North Otago with quite a lot of Cb down there in the afternoon but only one weak storm south of Oamaru as surface conditions not so good down there.
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Re: 15th November chase/photo's reports!!!

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Might put a few pics up in a day or two but they are pretty much the same as what Jase and Steve have allready.

Thanks to Foggy he showed me this site:

http://zakalwe.com/rasp/listForecasts.p ... =NZSOUTH_N


It's wind / streamline model showed a convergence zone going from about the mouth of the Rakaia through to Ashburton. This is about exactly where this line formed so pretty cool, looks to be a GFS model.

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Re: Canterbury thunderstorms - 15 November, Chase and reports

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Jasestorm wrote:I thought i would create a new topic so its easier for future reference finding instead of being in general weather which it definatly wasnt.
Perhaps the mods could move the comments from everyone about yesterdays happenings into here from the general November topic.
Good idea. I have also snipped out the southerly change event from Friday. Nice pics Jason and Steve!
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Paul Mallinson wrote:Stormchaser, what was the time of that last picture you added (the one of the hail producing storm)?

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Re: Canterbury thunderstorms - 15 November, Chase and reports

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Great pics Jase and 03Stormchaser _b

Thank you for posting them, appreciated and ... I see a couple of photogenic shots that could be entered into the Photo competition: "Summer Thunderstorms" :D

Thank you all for your dedication who chased on the evening of the storm and for being an inspiration for this weather newbie _b yea!!!! awesome! - take care.
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Andrew Massie wrote: Cheers, Mate! We sure are! John and I are the ISOTRALAS club too!
Absolutely, and its the dedication and passion in chasing storms that comes through, and, everyone gets caught up in it (well I do :D ) and that is the inspiration for the rest of us to DO IT... like last month... when TG Snoopy and the rest of weather guys went chasing... talk about teamwork... anyway... you guys THUNDERSTORM ROCK!!! honestly... awesome!!!
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Re: Canterbury thunderstorms - 15 November, Chase and reports

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Fabulous coverage guys and great pics!

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