Frosts 2013

Archive of NZ Weather & Climate
Forum rules
These topics are a read-only archive and may be subject to out-of-date information.

For today's weather discussion head to: New Zealand Weather & Climate
NZ Thunderstorm Soc
Posts: 18491
Joined: Wed 12/03/2003 22:08
Location: Raukapuka Geraldine
Has thanked: 1769 times
Been thanked: 1412 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by NZ Thunderstorm Soc »

Frost here this morning, the first for the year.
Down to minus 0.8C. with some frost-burn on the top of some plants.
JohnGaul
NZThS
Orion
Posts: 4005
Joined: Sun 08/08/2010 16:49
Location: Ashburton, Mid-Canterbury, 110m asl.
Has thanked: 1381 times
Been thanked: 333 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Orion »

Swirling patterns of ice on the car this morning, despite +3.2 degrees and breezy at present.
User avatar
Richard
Posts: 8378
Joined: Tue 14/07/2009 07:32
Location: Medbury, Inland North Canterbury
Has thanked: 1661 times
Been thanked: 802 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Richard »

just on zero air temp here with the gauge saying its plus one ground temp,first time ive seen it the other way round,must be due to a week of warm weather
Andy
Posts: 1424
Joined: Tue 27/05/2003 14:15
Location: Alexandra
Has thanked: 134 times
Been thanked: 63 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Andy »

-4 air frost here.
User avatar
Nev
Moderator
Posts: 6230
Joined: Tue 07/03/2006 15:24
Location: Waiheke Island, Hauraki Gulf
Has thanked: 474 times
Been thanked: 1073 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Nev »

Ranfurly down to -6C this morn and Chch Aero to -1.3C according to MS.
melja
Posts: 2202
Joined: Sun 11/06/2006 20:57
Location: Waikawa, Picton
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 74 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by melja »

Twizel was -5.5C when I looked not sure if it got any colder, those sure are cold temps for this time of year I would think?
Bradley
Posts: 1519
Joined: Wed 01/05/2013 21:06
Location: Christchurch
Has thanked: 144 times
Been thanked: 269 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Bradley »

Where did you get that Twizel information melja?
melja
Posts: 2202
Joined: Sun 11/06/2006 20:57
Location: Waikawa, Picton
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 74 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by melja »

Pukaki airfield station, its a M/S one and only less than 1km from twizel at the same altitude.

http://www.airportpukaki.co.nz/LiveAirportWeather

-1.2 now :eek: with a 9 knot wind so good wind chill there. edit = -9.4C
NZ Thunderstorm Soc
Posts: 18491
Joined: Wed 12/03/2003 22:08
Location: Raukapuka Geraldine
Has thanked: 1769 times
Been thanked: 1412 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by NZ Thunderstorm Soc »

A frost here this morning. Down to minus 0.9C.
JohnGaul
NZThS
Andy
Posts: 1424
Joined: Tue 27/05/2003 14:15
Location: Alexandra
Has thanked: 134 times
Been thanked: 63 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Andy »

Air temp of -4.6 here at the moment
Orion
Posts: 4005
Joined: Sun 08/08/2010 16:49
Location: Ashburton, Mid-Canterbury, 110m asl.
Has thanked: 1381 times
Been thanked: 333 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Orion »

+0.6 degrees here at the moment (I'm a bit late getting the day started today!) - car and grass white with frost.
Bradley
Posts: 1519
Joined: Wed 01/05/2013 21:06
Location: Christchurch
Has thanked: 144 times
Been thanked: 269 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Bradley »

Andy what is the lowest min you have seen in Alexandra?
NZ Thunderstorm Soc
Posts: 18491
Joined: Wed 12/03/2003 22:08
Location: Raukapuka Geraldine
Has thanked: 1769 times
Been thanked: 1412 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by NZ Thunderstorm Soc »

EDIT:
It wood of been pretty cold there in 1995, when Ophir, not far away, the nation's lowest ever air temperature, in modern times, was recorded in the town's local Stevensons Screen on the 3rd of July 8)
Last edited by NZ Thunderstorm Soc on Tue 07/05/2013 21:25, edited 1 time in total.
JohnGaul
NZThS
User avatar
David
Posts: 7587
Joined: Sat 18/08/2007 21:02
Location: Howick, Auckland
Has thanked: 418 times
Been thanked: 832 times
Contact:

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by David »

NZ Thunderstorm Soc wrote:It wood of been pretty cold there in 1995, when Ophir, not far away, the nation's lowest ever air temperature, was recorded in the town's local Stevensons Screen on the 3rd of July 8)
Perhaps not: http://weatherforum.org.nz/phpBB3/viewt ... =25&t=4478
Image
NZ Thunderstorm Soc
Posts: 18491
Joined: Wed 12/03/2003 22:08
Location: Raukapuka Geraldine
Has thanked: 1769 times
Been thanked: 1412 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by NZ Thunderstorm Soc »

I'mmmmmmmm Ranfurly 1903 :-k
JohnGaul
NZThS
User avatar
03Stormchaser
Moderator
Posts: 4428
Joined: Tue 09/12/2003 12:11
Location: Prebbleton
Has thanked: 104 times
Been thanked: 184 times
Contact:

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by 03Stormchaser »

Here is the article from Tuapeka Times 18th July 1903:
Part 1.gif
Part 2.gif
Part 3.gif
Part 4.gif
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
NZ Largest Storm Chasing Facebook Pagehttp://www.facebook.com/nzstormchasers
NZ Largest Storm Chase Community https://www.facebook.com/groups/NZStormchasersGroup
NZ Stormchasers TV https://www.youtube.com/@NZStormchasers
Flutterbye
Posts: 1261
Joined: Fri 16/12/2005 22:14
Location: Southland
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 9 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Flutterbye »

Bradley wrote:Andy what is the lowest min you have seen in Alexandra?

According to this site, -11 in July.

http://www.myweather2.com/City-Town/New ... px?month=7
User avatar
Richard
Posts: 8378
Joined: Tue 14/07/2009 07:32
Location: Medbury, Inland North Canterbury
Has thanked: 1661 times
Been thanked: 802 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Richard »

A -3.5 air temp and -4 ground this morning
Orion
Posts: 4005
Joined: Sun 08/08/2010 16:49
Location: Ashburton, Mid-Canterbury, 110m asl.
Has thanked: 1381 times
Been thanked: 333 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Orion »

+1.0 at present, but the car is sparkling with frost.
Andy
Posts: 1424
Joined: Tue 27/05/2003 14:15
Location: Alexandra
Has thanked: 134 times
Been thanked: 63 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Andy »

-4.8 at 6:20am -4 and thick fog now :(
Andy
Posts: 1424
Joined: Tue 27/05/2003 14:15
Location: Alexandra
Has thanked: 134 times
Been thanked: 63 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Andy »

Bradley wrote:Andy what is the lowest min you have seen in Alexandra?
-10.4 last July on my weather station. If anyone has the all time extreme min temps Alex please share. :smile:
User avatar
Nev
Moderator
Posts: 6230
Joined: Tue 07/03/2006 15:24
Location: Waiheke Island, Hauraki Gulf
Has thanked: 474 times
Been thanked: 1073 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Nev »

Flutterbye wrote:
Bradley wrote:Andy what is the lowest min you have seen in Alexandra?
According to this site, -11 in July.

http://www.myweather2.com/City-Town/New ... px?month=7
Don't have data for MS's airport site, but that -11.0C rounded figure is most likely from a NIWA Alex observer taken on July 4, 1995. However, their records going back to 1929 do show one other colder temp of -11.7C (11.0°F) on July 2, 1943. Their third lowest ever temp is -10.6C on May 28, 1988.
User avatar
Nev
Moderator
Posts: 6230
Joined: Tue 07/03/2006 15:24
Location: Waiheke Island, Hauraki Gulf
Has thanked: 474 times
Been thanked: 1073 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by Nev »

Andy wrote:
Bradley wrote:Andy what is the lowest min you have seen in Alexandra?
-10.4 last July on my weather station. If anyone has the all time extreme min temps Alex please share. :smile:
That same day of July 2, 2012, a NIWA Alex observer also recorded -10.0C (rounded), their fourth-equal lowest ever temp, shared with 3 other days in July of 1995 and 1996. They also have a Compact Weather Station (CWS) located on pole in Pioneer Park but, not surprisingly, it only recorded -8.9C that day same last year.
RWood
Posts: 3745
Joined: Sat 24/01/2004 16:56
Location: Wellington
Has thanked: 188 times
Been thanked: 123 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by RWood »

NZ Thunderstorm Soc wrote:I'mmmmmmmm Ranfurly 1903 :-k
Although the records taken at the time of the record low, including a Tmax of -21.1C (!!), should be good {apparently there was another record that gave the same results for 5 days}, I think there is something a bit suspect about the Eweburn site. I sent this as part of an email to Georgina Griffiths, after noting how very low the Tmax values were over a signficant number of years. She replied and said she would have a look when time permitted, but has since changed jobs and gone to MetService. I suspect this matter will not get attention. Of course, as Georgina said in her reply, there is no calibration info. or metadata available from back in those times.

My comments were : " ... noted with interest at the time the “new old” record low temperature recorded in the Ranfurly area in 1903. Didn’t think any further about it until recently, when someone on a weather forum stated that a NZ site once had a Tmax of -21.1C! So I checked, and sure enough the Eweburn site had just that in the same month, July 1903, on an adjacent day as I recall. I found this incredible to say the least, so had a check of the average monthly Tmax values (and Tmins) over its 1897-1922 history. The Tmin data didn’t look very different from that at Naseby in the following years (they moved the instruments there after 1922 according to the CliFlo notes). I have attached a spreadsheet with these monthly mean maxima. I find the overall averages – and the records prior to 1917 – very hard to believe. The very low values suggest a frost pocket with – importantly – greatly reduced daylight, and most likely something strange about the enclosure itself, with some sort of abrupt change after 1916. The mean daily ranges for the pre-1917 period are far lower than would be typical for Central Otago or the Maniototo (The Tmax and daily range averages for Naseby Forest in the following years are much higher). The 1903 year at Eweburn, albeit a coldish one for NZ overall, is amazing – one day in January having a Tmax of only 3.3C, and no day in that year exceeding 21.1C. Regarding the mean monthly minima, these do not look unreasonable. There is a slight jump after 1906. I’m interested to know what you might make of this – as a plant nursery is mentioned, I wonder if major shadowing by trees at all times of year – followed by a later clearance - might explain quite a lot."
User avatar
kiwisk8er
Posts: 332
Joined: Mon 03/04/2006 13:17
Location: Mosgiel, Dunedin 20 m ASL
Has thanked: 24 times
Been thanked: 46 times

Re: Frosts 2013

Unread post by kiwisk8er »

We had a low of +2.9˚C this morning. Frost on cars and roof tops and some grass out the back of our house.
Locked