Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
re Auckland missing out
my thinking is this:
it was small and compact and spinning like a top..lots of angular momentum etc
as it approached from the north, encountering the coromandel peninsular, that was like a barrier
its not going to want to straddle that (surface pressures and winds..upper level rain bands did)
and so instead it slipped to the east of that land mass
then the same thing happened..it was not wanting to interact with the land mass of the bay of plenty easily...that friction was like making it bounce around a bit..like a spinning top hitting the side of a container
hence why the pressure and wind really built up in the white island area..untill it suddenly the pressure was enough for that wind system to move inland..you could see that on the rain radar..suddenly a narrow curved rain band feature showed up right on the whakatane coast line...right when the wind really suddenly peaked up there..it was like a pressure bow echo
once it broke through moving onto the land, that is when Tauranga got the strongest winds too (offshore there, onshore in whakatane)
land friction slowed the winds and made them spread out more, into hawkes bay and
Hawkes bay had the wind coming in straight off the ocean, so very exposed (and the wind pressure was strongest up against the high to the east too)
anyway, would be a great mesoscale study could be done on the hours before landfall
also It could very well be that for the eastern BOP, it was the worst storm since the Wahine storm, hearing reports of widespread trees blown over, etc
my thinking is this:
it was small and compact and spinning like a top..lots of angular momentum etc
as it approached from the north, encountering the coromandel peninsular, that was like a barrier
its not going to want to straddle that (surface pressures and winds..upper level rain bands did)
and so instead it slipped to the east of that land mass
then the same thing happened..it was not wanting to interact with the land mass of the bay of plenty easily...that friction was like making it bounce around a bit..like a spinning top hitting the side of a container
hence why the pressure and wind really built up in the white island area..untill it suddenly the pressure was enough for that wind system to move inland..you could see that on the rain radar..suddenly a narrow curved rain band feature showed up right on the whakatane coast line...right when the wind really suddenly peaked up there..it was like a pressure bow echo
once it broke through moving onto the land, that is when Tauranga got the strongest winds too (offshore there, onshore in whakatane)
land friction slowed the winds and made them spread out more, into hawkes bay and
Hawkes bay had the wind coming in straight off the ocean, so very exposed (and the wind pressure was strongest up against the high to the east too)
anyway, would be a great mesoscale study could be done on the hours before landfall
also It could very well be that for the eastern BOP, it was the worst storm since the Wahine storm, hearing reports of widespread trees blown over, etc
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
notice the isobars bending around the coromendel
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
Thought about that earlierManukau heads obs wrote:you guys in CHCH can look outside and say, hey, those rain clouds/cloud bands, originally have come all the way from New Caledonia/Vanuatu
You cant say that every day
The system got here pretty briskly in the end, was only Tuesday or so that it was in New Caledonia?
Not tropical temperatures here though - around 13deg C at present.
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
I think the modelling handled this system fairly well.
But from Auckland point of view we didn't get much rain which was counter to earlier modelling. We ended up with in a region stable subsiding air yesterday. And there was no wind at all.
But from Auckland point of view we didn't get much rain which was counter to earlier modelling. We ended up with in a region stable subsiding air yesterday. And there was no wind at all.
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
Stormiest night in Hawke's Bay since 1968! (which I am old enough to remember!)
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
Went down to Geraldine today.
First time for ages seeing water flowing in the Selwyn River under the State Highway No 1 bridge at Selwyn.
First time for ages seeing water flowing in the Selwyn River under the State Highway No 1 bridge at Selwyn.
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Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
Big flooding in hauraki at the moment. From tahuna at one side to paeroa on the other side. Major flooding with entire farms under water.
I suspect the Waikato river will go even higher this week. They have held back so much water. Lake Taupo is full the the brim and all the dams a choka.
I suspect the Waikato river will go even higher this week. They have held back so much water. Lake Taupo is full the the brim and all the dams a choka.
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
and it looks like another northerly rain event in another week?
(BOM has this but GFS does not)
(BOM has this but GFS does not)
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Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
The Waihou at Te Aroha today was a sight to behold.jamie wrote:Big flooding in hauraki at the moment. From tahuna at one side to paeroa on the other side. Major flooding with entire farms under water.
I suspect the Waikato river will go even higher this week. They have held back so much water. Lake Taupo is full the the brim and all the dams a choka.
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
As I said, the Selwyn had water in it under the highway bridge and other rivers were quite flowy with the Waihi in Geraldine, bank to bank and the Orari and Hinds had significant flows in it,
Nothing in the south branch of the Rangitata River, but I think that has been blocked off.
Nothing in the south branch of the Rangitata River, but I think that has been blocked off.
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
Filmed this at Mt Manganui, sure was stormy and exciting!
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
whew, BOM model has dropped the idea of another northerly rain episode
looks like a week of no rain now , that will help dry things out (after today's showers clear that is)
looks like a week of no rain now , that will help dry things out (after today's showers clear that is)
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Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
There was a person that went and intercepted it near whakatane. He has some very good videos on the beach and in the car. His Facebook is extreme pursuit.
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
Some heavy showers for the soaked Waikato tomorrow then a period of stable weather moving in.
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
Here's a pretty good wrap-up of the Tasman Low/Ex-TC Cook combo event during the last few days…
'Round up of this week’s weather 14/4/17' - MetService Blog
EDIT: Note that quite a few of MS's AWS's lost power on Thursday evening, including Whakatane Aero (NIWA's Whakatane EWS recorded max-gusts to 117 km/h in the hour to 7pm).
Also note that Tauranga's '90 km/h' gusts have been rounded up from 87 km/h, but no mention of the 113 km/h at Slipper Island (east of Coromandel), 100 km/h at Napier Aero, and 89 km/h at both Gisborne Aero and Tolaga Bay.
Other MS max-gust obs that probably would have recorded higher after their AWS's lost power around 6pm on Thursday include 133 km/h at Mahia Radar, 115 km/h at Hicks Bay and 109 km/h at Golden Valley (N of Waihi)…
'Round up of this week’s weather 14/4/17' - MetService Blog
EDIT: Note that quite a few of MS's AWS's lost power on Thursday evening, including Whakatane Aero (NIWA's Whakatane EWS recorded max-gusts to 117 km/h in the hour to 7pm).
Also note that Tauranga's '90 km/h' gusts have been rounded up from 87 km/h, but no mention of the 113 km/h at Slipper Island (east of Coromandel), 100 km/h at Napier Aero, and 89 km/h at both Gisborne Aero and Tolaga Bay.
Other MS max-gust obs that probably would have recorded higher after their AWS's lost power around 6pm on Thursday include 133 km/h at Mahia Radar, 115 km/h at Hicks Bay and 109 km/h at Golden Valley (N of Waihi)…
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
Yes I have always wanted to be a storm chaser and as soon as I get my restricted license then I'll be doing stuff like livestreaming and chasing storms in Aussie! for now its just limiting foot chases lol..Manukau heads obs wrote:did you purposely go there to intercept it ?
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon chases I am personally not a fan of as I would rather not contribute to a problem if I got stuck in a area because of all roads getting blocked.
I was asked this question by quite a few people wether I would chase cyclone cook and to be frank I wasnt at all tempted by the thought.
Sure, seeing nature do its thing is great, but when you deliberately place yourself in a position and all access is cut, then you have directly put extra demand on resources when you didn't even need to be there in the first place.
I would only contemplate the thought if I was going to be completely self sufficient for at least 3 days.
Thunderstorm chases are quite different as they cover a much smaller area, and if things got crazy then its allot more easier to find exit routes that arnt blocked and you don't necessarily have to be under the storm to chase it.
I was asked this question by quite a few people wether I would chase cyclone cook and to be frank I wasnt at all tempted by the thought.
Sure, seeing nature do its thing is great, but when you deliberately place yourself in a position and all access is cut, then you have directly put extra demand on resources when you didn't even need to be there in the first place.
I would only contemplate the thought if I was going to be completely self sufficient for at least 3 days.
Thunderstorm chases are quite different as they cover a much smaller area, and if things got crazy then its allot more easier to find exit routes that arnt blocked and you don't necessarily have to be under the storm to chase it.
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
I reckon good on you Thunder081
but Tim does have soome good points to keep in mind (and to mitigate)
we get winds as strong as the BOP got every winter/spring here , so no need to chase, lol
but Tim does have soome good points to keep in mind (and to mitigate)
we get winds as strong as the BOP got every winter/spring here , so no need to chase, lol
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
Cheers here's the full chase video! (full screen link: https://www.facebook.com/mkovesdiphotog ... 792933829/ )
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
I'm with Tim on that one, Cyclone/Hurricane/Typhoon chasing would only ok if you could hunker down in some concrete hotel where its relatively safe and have enough supplies on hand not to become a burden on emergency response units.
Rainfall totals over the last few days in and around northern North Canterbury, here 63mm , Waiau 53mm, Cheviot 125.4mm. So nice to have saturated country side after two years of below average rainfalls.
Rainfall totals over the last few days in and around northern North Canterbury, here 63mm , Waiau 53mm, Cheviot 125.4mm. So nice to have saturated country side after two years of below average rainfalls.
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Re: Tasman Low and Ex-TC Cook - Apr 12-14
Looks like you had a great chase thunder081. Great clip to document the event.