Wind effects in new Pegasus town

RWood · Unread post by **RWood** » Wed 13/06/2007 10:53

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4092822a13.html

Have a feeling this one may have come up already a while back.
Plenty of greenery to reduce any NE effects?

Michael · Unread post by **Michael** » Wed 13/06/2007 11:25

Shouldnt this be in the off topic forum?

RWood · Unread post by **RWood** » Wed 13/06/2007 12:54

If SW = weather, then NE = weather. Someone can move it if they wish.

Storm Struck · Unread post by **Storm Struck** » Wed 13/06/2007 20:23

We will be planting a majority of natives at Pegusas a large amount around the golf corse.
Pegusas is also the site of where the Maori's fought a major battle with bloodshed, so there is alot of historical interest in the area.
It is protected so much that when workers were digging up the grounds and came across ancient maori war tools or signs of a tribal life, they had to stop completly and move to another location do dig while the scientists got thier hands dirty.
Cheers
Jason.

RWood · Unread post by **RWood** » Wed 13/06/2007 21:10

Interesting Jason, thanks.

NZ Thunderstorm Soc · Wed 13/06/2007 21:53

I think the NE will penetrate no matter the protection. Pegasus town is not far from the coast.
You have to be far more inland to protect from the NE ie. West Melton

JohnGaul
NZTS

spwill · Unread post by **spwill** » Thu 14/06/2007 08:12

think the NE will penetrate no matter the protection

Perhaps Jasestrm needs to be planting Macracarpa.

Andrew Massie · Unread post by **Andrew Massie** » Thu 14/06/2007 13:55

RWood wrote:If SW = weather, then NE = weather. Someone can move it if they wish.

BRILLIANT!!! Hehehehe

NZstorm · Unread post by **NZstorm** » Thu 14/06/2007 20:33

To stop wind I would go for exotics like those already planted in Canterbury. Natives don't fit the bill unless its something tatty like Manuka.

spwill · Unread post by **spwill** » Thu 14/06/2007 20:53

Natives don't fit the bill unless its something tatty like Manuka.

Griselinia or Pittosporum come to mind.

NZstorm · Unread post by **NZstorm** » Thu 14/06/2007 21:49

I think both those species dont get large enough for sheltering anything more than the home garden.

Storm Struck · Unread post by **Storm Struck** » Thu 14/06/2007 22:15

Dom't even mention Macrocarpa or any tree introduced into the country as I don't really like them.

We spend about 50% of our job removing weed plants such as Gorse,Pine trees,Willow,Broom etc which was all introduced into New Zealand by the English when farms had no fences and were used as shelter belts.
More or so natives like Cabbage tree's,Pittisporums,Kophai's,Coprosma alot of these are fast affective in most good growing conditions.
There will also be alot of Carex,Tussuks,Flax,Reeds to continue to establish the Wetland and encourage native birds to the east coast.
Cheers
Jason.

RWood · Unread post by **RWood** » Thu 14/06/2007 23:09

We've got far too many macrocarpa already - good for some photo shots but essentially ugly. Good on you Jason!

spwill · Unread post by **spwill** » Fri 15/06/2007 10:56

RWood wrote,

We've got far too many macrocarpa already

I can certainly understand why a lot of Macracarpa were planted around Wellington. Not so many up here.

Problem I have with a native planting is the lack of colour, very stark.

03Stormchaser · Unread post by **03Stormchaser** » Fri 15/06/2007 12:47

Planting natives is nothing more than being Pc.

If you want a shelter belt, plant pines. They grow well and fast even when the soil is crap. Perfect for Pegusas!

RWood · Unread post by **RWood** » Fri 15/06/2007 14:41

Don't think it's as simple as that, but I'm sure Jason can defend himself.

RWood · Unread post by **RWood** » Fri 15/06/2007 14:58

spwill wrote:RWood wrote,
We've got far too many macrocarpa already
I can certainly understand why a lot of Macracarpa were planted around Wellington. Not so many up here.

Problem I have with a native planting is the lack of colour, very stark.

There are macrocarpa over a lot of the country, certainly not just a local speciality.

Storm Struck · Unread post by **Storm Struck** » Fri 15/06/2007 18:35

Pegusas township is built on a part swamp,wetland, and the idea is to help restore the environment for people to appreciate in all its glory.
Pine and macrocarpa is not something that many Subdivisions plant these days and I agree as they would just look ugly.
But there will be some decidous roadside trees.
Also considering that Pegusas has alot of money going into it and will be the largest township in the south island. It will also be a major outdoor recreation and sporting town with plenty of activities to do and see such as..
1-Large golf corse
4-Rugby feilds
4-soccer feilds
Several different walking, horse, and bike tracks.
A yaught club plus large marina built on a man made lake.
Several rivers,creeks,wetlands to go kayaking or canoing on.
Also it reaches back to the shoreline at the beach so there will be a surf club there along with leisure hire.
So quite alot to do if you like the outdoors, there will be also..
1- Large shopping mall
1-Cinema
2- Supermarkets
1-Petrol station
1-Sports and leisure centre
1-Indoor and outdoor aqautic centre
1-Warehouse
and the list just goes on with thousands of homes.
I am hoping Pegusas doesn't turn into a toucy little community like Northwood although I wouldnt think so especailly if the outdoor recreation of encouraging others to the township may well hinder that.
Cheers
Jason.

NZ Thunderstorm Soc · Fri 15/06/2007 18:41

Yuck...an extension of suberbia, which Rolleston is becoming

Thank goodness West Melton is not beocoming like that

JohnGaul
NZTS

NZ Thunderstorm Soc · Fri 15/06/2007 18:48

I have moved this topic to 'Off Topic' as discussion on this is becoming irrelevant to NZ Weather discussion

JohnGaul
NZTS

tich · Unread post by **tich** » Sat 16/06/2007 00:09

Best to have a mixture of trees that intertwine their branches and leaves to diffuse the wind pushing against them. Like a natural forest, which can better withstand severe winds than pine plantations can.
Ngaios are a fast growing tree that can tolerate salty winds blowing off the sea. (but not so good for frosty areas - Pegasus town site isn't a frosty location, is it?)

RWood · Unread post by **RWood** » Sat 16/06/2007 09:03

Anyone who thinks pines are so great has presumably forgotten August 1975, or has never seen the vast quantity of aging pines that had to be cleared from Tinakori hill here after rain and wind in Feb. 2004.

spwill · Unread post by **spwill** » Sat 16/06/2007 11:22

Pines grow and do well in those very exposed tough locations so tend to be in the firing lines when the wind blows.

Our own native conifer varieties are very very slow growing where as the exotic conifer varieties like Pine grow very quickly here.

Storm Struck · Unread post by **Storm Struck** » Sat 16/06/2007 12:23

Pegusas township would certainly get frosts as it is only within 5-8mins drive to the beach. This is often because obviously the low level open land and the moisture in the surrounding air off the sea creates more moisture on the ground to inturn freeze under 0C.
A great example was when I visited the town of Spencerville on a frosty morning about 2 weeks ago. In town it was cold with little ice laying on the ground, but when arriving in Spencerville the grass was crisp with ice.
Yes a good contrast in trees always goes well, but the problem with pine trees is the rooting systems. They are strong and grow well in sandy or hard clay,loam soils, however if a pine was planted in a soft wetland soil they would be prone to fall over easily.
Most large trees could do this yes, but Pine trees dont have grip roots which compact the surrounding soil.
Cheers
Jason.

Weathermad · Unread post by **Weathermad** » Sun 17/06/2007 06:33

Surely there is nothing wrong with Northwood Jason, I live there!