Guilty Upon Accusation Law for Copyright!

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Guilty Upon Accusation Law for Copyright!

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Thats right the "brilliant" Government has making a law that comes into effect very very soon.
It basically means if you are accused of breaching copyright for what ever reason you are found guilty without a trial or you giving a fight!! :mad:
Think this this fair in NZ Government??? :mad:

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What do you guys think???
Sign up for the petition http://creativefreedom.org.nz/index.html
Make sure you do this, otherwise the government can accuse you of anything copyright and it wont be us labeled as "innocent"
More Info: http://blog.theyworkforyou.co.nz/post/5 ... e-breaking
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Can you find the law itself so that we can read it ? It sounds pretty crazy to me that you can be found guilty of anything without a trial but I am not very aware of the way to do down here ...
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Extremely dissapointing. First it was our right to voice our opinion on politics, now it's our creative freedom.

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Is this related to the "3 copyright breaches, your internet service provider will ban you" law?
I hate this anti piracy stuff, but there are ways that will be very hard for the government so catch you :)
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In France, several projects of anti-piracy policy were considered illegal by the justice and even refused by the European Council. If only it could be the same here ... :?
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"Is this related to the "3 copyright breaches, your internet service provider will ban you" law?" --carrot
Yes, however "copyright breaches" is based on accusations of copyright infringement as judged by the ISP, not by a court of law. The techniques used to identify infringement are not reliable: http://dmca.cs.washington.edu/ Here's an example of a completely false accusation in NZ: http://coffee.geek.nz/thedayiwasaccused ... fringement

While our opposition to s92 is about maintaining due process there is the wider issue of copyright law itself and what qualifies as copyright infringement. For example, I quoted what you wrote (I used your copyrighted text without permission) because quoting snippets of text is legal, and yet if I were to quote audio or quote video (perhaps to make a The Daily Show-like political commentary) this would be illegal. As an artist I've seen many works (mostly music and visual arts) that are based on sampling -- sometimes they're sampling text (that's legal without permission) and sometimes they're sampling audio (that's not legal without permission). The problem with bypassing the courts is that it bypasses any defence that someone has for using material -- and this affects artists. A black and white view of copyright is harming the grey area which artists use and cherish, I assure you (and that's what the Creative Freedom Foundation are all about).


"Can you find the law itself so that we can read it?" --Lacertae
here's the law

92c is very clear about taking down material before a court order but 92a is more subtle. The page at http://creativefreedom.org.nz/s92.html has a fuller explanation of this and links to 3rd party analysis.

In short however, as ISPs transmit data across their own network (for their users) they're open to copyright infringement claims themselves unless they comply with s92a. ISPs are therefore put into the role of policing copyright infringement accusations without judicial oversight against their customers, all while risking their business if they get it wrong. It's in this impossible situation and this poorly thought out law that bypasses the courts that ISPs are saying they will be forced to disconnect customers. RIANZ (the local equivalent of the RIAA) say that having to provide evidence is both "impractical" and "ridiculous" (source: http://tinyurl.com/impractical-and-ridiculous ). When you bypass the courts and due process in favour of free market of risk-averse ISPs the nature of s92a becomes clear. As you can see from http://creativefreedom.org.nz/s92.html the implications of this poorly written law are now increasingly understood by mainstream press.

Thanks for helping spread the word everyone :)
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Honestly this is ridiculous: http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-prison-p ... ow-090106/
People who are in IT or are in the know, will know to cover them selves from this.....
Book your Prison cell now.... what the hell is going on with people?????? :mad:
VIP prison cells.... they are just preying on the people that feel guilty of downloading.... and that is cruel!!!
It does not directly affect NZ yet but the principle remains...
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This reminds of a comic I saw a while ago

Went (something) like this:

"What are you in prison for?"
" I murdered my wife and made my children watch it, what about you?"
"I downloaded the latest Madonna CD"

Its obviously as good as the original with pics, but you get the point.
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From [url=http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/2285139/Shift-alt-delete-for-internet-copyright-law]Stuff[/url] wrote:A controversial internet copyright law will not be going ahead and will be replaced following a review by the Government, Prime Minister John Key confirmed today.

Section 92a of the new Copyright Amendment Act has upset the internet community, which says it could force the closure of websites following any accusation of breach of copyright, even if it was not proven.

The Government said last month it would delay implementation of Section 92a until March 27 to give the community time to come up with a workable code of practice.

It said if agreement could not be reached it would suspend the section.

One internet service provider (ISP) TelstraClear recently pulled out of the code of conduct that was being drafted and Cabinet decided today that it was time to go back to the drawing board.

"Section 92a is not going to come into force as originally written. We have now asked the minister of commerce to start work on a replacement section," Mr Key said.

"There is a need for legislation in this area, some progress was made between copyright holders and the ISPs but not enough to agree a code of conduct.

"In our view there are a number of issues that made it difficult to complete that code of conduct without fixing the fundamental flaws in section 92a."

Mr Key said there needed to be unanimous support amongst ISPs and Commerce Minister Simon Power would be engaging with some experts in the area to go back to the basics.

Mr Key has said previously both sides of the debate had a point.

The Government would not allow the internet to be the "wild west" where any copyright holders did not have entitlement to compensation or recognition of their work.

However, its interactive nature led to different issues from the traditional media, Mr Key said.
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Great news eh Tgsnoopy!
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Oh yeah, not so much for me, but plenty of friends & relatives.

I was beginning to wonder if they would ever see the woods for the trees.