spwill wrote:Alexandra on a fine summers day tends to get it's Max temp later in the day however I dont think in Dunedin city the 6pm temp would be higher than the 3pm unless a warm N/NW wind blew in. I suspect they are giving the temp from the Airport at 6pm which can be a lot warmer than the 3pm city temp especially in a NE flow.
spwill wrote:Alexandra on a fine summers day tends to get it's Max temp later in the day however I dont think in Dunedin city the 6pm temp would be higher than the 3pm unless a warm N/NW wind blew in. I suspect they are giving the temp from the Airport at 6pm which can be a lot warmer than the 3pm city temp especially in a NE flow.
I don't think that's true. the Media reads the max temps from Auckland Airport, instead of Whenuapai, where it does usually get hotter.RWood wrote: I think you'll find that for some places, esp. main cities, they are quoting the highest value for that place's main sites - since it is all some kind of silly contest - as if temperatures are the only criteria of weather "quality".
If you want an objective idea of temp. variation in NZ urban areas, you won't find it from the TV1 numbers. They do not quote any daily lows. So if they just quote daytime for Dunedin Airport, which has hotter days and colder nights than the Musselburgh town site, they give a misleading idea right off the bat.NZstorm wrote:I don't know where Auckland's readings come from, don't think it is the airport.
Wellington City Council had a new temperature reading site specially installed for TV broadcasting, its not out at the airport. They felt the old site was not representative of Wellington's mediterranean climate.
And the Dunedin figures often come from the airport. The airport readings are consistently inaccurate. The sensor there must now be sitting over the bitumen tarmac. The readings get too high on sunny days.
If you want an objective idea of temp. variation in NZ urban areas, you won't find it from the TV1 numbers. They do not quote any daily lows. So if they just quote daytime for Dunedin Airport, which has hotter days and colder nights than the Musselburgh town site, they give a misleading idea right off the bat.NZstorm wrote:I don't know where Auckland's readings come from, don't think it is the airport.
Wellington City Council had a new temperature reading site specially installed for TV broadcasting, its not out at the airport. They felt the old site was not representative of Wellington's mediterranean climate.
And the Dunedin figures often come from the airport. The airport readings are consistently inaccurate. The sensor there must now be sitting over the bitumen tarmac. The readings get too high on sunny days.
Refer to my already posted reply, plus NZStorm's.Foggy Hamilton wrote:I don't think that's true. the Media reads the max temps from Auckland Airport, instead of Whenuapai, where it does usually get hotter.RWood wrote: I think you'll find that for some places, esp. main cities, they are quoting the highest value for that place's main sites - since it is all some kind of silly contest - as if temperatures are the only criteria of weather "quality".
Wellington's come from the Airport i believe (not Kelburn) as well as Hamilton's and Christchurch's
John, the temps they give out for Kawerau are accurate. It's the North Island's Alexandra
I know what you mean. My thermometers and gauges all live within fan-aspirated Stevenson screens, and recorded an Annual high of 32.6° on the afternoon of January 27th. Not a record by any means, but the hottest so far this year after all the inclement weather. Yet the radio stations still claimed it was 37° or something in Omarama, based on a reading from the thermometer hanging by the front door of the Mobil gas station.RWood wrote:...they want to dupe others into thinking that their weather is "better" than it really is, and in their simple-minded world this simply means pumping up the temp. values...Too bad they can't cook their sunshine readings.
When I was in Alex on Saturday numerous people told me the the high the day before was 39C. Pick your battles, I just smiled and said "sounds hot"Gary Roberts wrote:Up in Twizel, their thermometer sits near the focal point of a huge concrete heat collection device (the Twizel Shopping Mall). They reported a high of 40+°...I made myself unpopular with some there when I suggested that the reading wasn't entirely accurate. One guy even accused me of trying to "steal" the highest temperature reading from Twizel!
..the point I'm trying to make is that they should SHOW the actual maximum up to broadcast time at 6pmAndy wrote:Remember that the max temps are to 3pm when shown on the map of N.Z
And the current temps of the main centres are reading at 6ish.
I'm reminded of human longevity and a few other things...Gary Roberts wrote:Up in Twizel, their thermometer sits near the focal point of a huge concrete heat collection device (the Twizel Shopping Mall). They reported a high of 40+°...I made myself unpopular with some there when I suggested that the reading wasn't entirely accurate. One guy even accused me of trying to "steal" the highest temperature reading from Twizel!RWood wrote:...they want to dupe others into thinking that their weather is "better" than it really is, and in their simple-minded world this simply means pumping up the temp. values...Too bad they can't cook their sunshine readings.
Others around these parts have been telling me that the observatory office sensors in Omarama are "broken", because their own thermometers, usually badly sited, and often fully-exposed to the sun at some point of the day, consistently read much higher. Some people go by the gauges in their cars.
Ask the average man how tall he is and he'll always add an extra inch or so. Ask them to estimate weather conditions and they always exaggerate. I have no time at all for TV Weather reporting, since they are inaccurate to a ridiculous degree but, as you said, others engaging in some kind of half-assed competition are no better.
I'm reminded of human longevity and a few other things...Gary Roberts wrote:Up in Twizel, their thermometer sits near the focal point of a huge concrete heat collection device (the Twizel Shopping Mall). They reported a high of 40+°...I made myself unpopular with some there when I suggested that the reading wasn't entirely accurate. One guy even accused me of trying to "steal" the highest temperature reading from Twizel!RWood wrote:...they want to dupe others into thinking that their weather is "better" than it really is, and in their simple-minded world this simply means pumping up the temp. values...Too bad they can't cook their sunshine readings.
Others around these parts have been telling me that the observatory office sensors in Omarama are "broken", because their own thermometers, usually badly sited, and often fully-exposed to the sun at some point of the day, consistently read much higher. Some people go by the gauges in their cars.
Ask the average man how tall he is and he'll always add an extra inch or so. Ask them to estimate weather conditions and they always exaggerate. I have no time at all for TV Weather reporting, since they are inaccurate to a ridiculous degree but, as you said, others engaging in some kind of half-assed competition are no better.
I've yet to experience a hoar frost in Omarama (although I've only been here permanently for less than two years...been visiting three times a year since '96 prior to that); I don't think they got one in Twizel last winter either, although they usually do, and Omarama usually doesn't, I've been told.RWood wrote:I'm reminded of human longevity and a few other things...
To veer off the subject a little, I'm curious about the Twizel freezing fogs in winter (was sometimes in Alexandra during a fog event) - how far north and south of there do they extend? I know the readings at Tara Hills in Omarama region indicated they didn't usually get them. When driving into Alex. from the south my family noticed that the start point of a fog layer was always the same.
Heh, Phil, I think what you really meant by "pick your battles" was "don't mention the weather", or "nod your head and keep walking"!Fujita Phil wrote:When I was in Alex on Saturday numerous people told me the the high the day before was 39C. Pick your battles, I just smiled and said "sounds hot"
I gave up on a work discussion with a colleague who was convinced that March "is" the warmest month of the year (never mind up to 150yrs of obs. at hundreds of sites that say Jan or Feb, etc. etc.), on the basis that he was able to get his roof painted - it so happened that last Feb. here and in lots of other places in SW of N Island was easily the wettest and stormiest on record, while March was dry and quite sunny...Gary Roberts wrote:Heh, Phil, I think what you really meant by "pick your battles" was "don't mention the weather", or "nod your head and keep walking"!Fujita Phil wrote:When I was in Alex on Saturday numerous people told me the the high the day before was 39C. Pick your battles, I just smiled and said "sounds hot"
A buddy of mine works for BHP at Port Headland where it routinely gets into the 40s. He says that without A/C you can't do anything. The guy who told me it was 45° up the back of Lake Tekapo while he was working (according to the gauge in his 4x4) must be some kind of superman I reckon!
Man, it's pretty warm here right now. 30.8°, 24% humidity. It feels hotter though.RWood wrote:I gave up on a work discussion with a colleague who was convinced that March "is" the warmest month of the year (never mind up to 150yrs of obs. at hundreds of sites that say Jan or Feb, etc. etc.), on the basis that he was able to get his roof painted - it so happened that last Feb. here and in lots of other places in SW of N Island was easily the wettest and stormiest on record, while March was dry and quite sunny...